<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: More Rogers iPhone Pricing News - Sneaky Details in the Fine Print</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.robhyndman.com/2008/07/01/more-rogers-iphone-pricing-news-sneaky-details-in-the-fine-print/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2008/07/01/more-rogers-iphone-pricing-news-sneaky-details-in-the-fine-print/</link>
	<description>any technology distinguishable from magic is not sufficiently advanced</description>
	<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6</generator>
		<item>
		<title>By: Rob Hyndman</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2008/07/01/more-rogers-iphone-pricing-news-sneaky-details-in-the-fine-print/#comment-85329</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hyndman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.robhyndman.com/?p=2768#comment-85329</guid>
		<description>As I suspected - the draft has been corrected.  Jevon has &lt;a href="http://wirelessnorth.ca/2008/07/01/need-out-of-your-iphone-contract-1100-please/"&gt;the details&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I suspected - the draft has been corrected.  Jevon has <a href="http://wirelessnorth.ca/2008/07/01/need-out-of-your-iphone-contract-1100-please/" onClick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/wirelessnorth.ca');">the details</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rob Hyndman</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2008/07/01/more-rogers-iphone-pricing-news-sneaky-details-in-the-fine-print/#comment-85308</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hyndman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.robhyndman.com/?p=2768#comment-85308</guid>
		<description>So many questions.  Eg, if you only have two weeks left in your term, you've been a customer for at least 35 months and two weeks.  If so, how could $1100 then be a reasonable termination fee?  That's simply grotesquely, nose-in-the-trough greedy.

Also, as you suggest, Mike - what sense does the "400" make?  400 months is absurd.  $400 is illogical.

Also, why is the first sub-clause numbered (ii), and the second (iii), and why define it "EECF" when it describes the "Early Cancellation Fee", and then why use the term "ECF"? ;)

Also, if the termination fee is supposed to reimburse Rogers for a loss, why isn't this tied (on a declining over time basis) to the phone subsidy?  I can understand a minimum term requirement as a way of compensating the operator for the phone subsidy, but imposing a long term enforced by a penalty that is not rationally related to the subsidy compensates Rogers for the loss of expected income over term - something many would think is an inappropriate use of a termination fee in a consumer context.

Perhaps I'm so jaded now that I simply can't read this at it was intended to be read.  But this makes no sense to me.  My best guess is a first (and sloppy) draft, inadvertently made available to the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So many questions.  Eg, if you only have two weeks left in your term, you&#8217;ve been a customer for at least 35 months and two weeks.  If so, how could $1100 then be a reasonable termination fee?  That&#8217;s simply grotesquely, nose-in-the-trough greedy.</p>
<p>Also, as you suggest, Mike - what sense does the &#8220;400&#8243; make?  400 months is absurd.  $400 is illogical.</p>
<p>Also, why is the first sub-clause numbered (ii), and the second (iii), and why define it &#8220;EECF&#8221; when it describes the &#8220;Early Cancellation Fee&#8221;, and then why use the term &#8220;ECF&#8221;? ;)</p>
<p>Also, if the termination fee is supposed to reimburse Rogers for a loss, why isn&#8217;t this tied (on a declining over time basis) to the phone subsidy?  I can understand a minimum term requirement as a way of compensating the operator for the phone subsidy, but imposing a long term enforced by a penalty that is not rationally related to the subsidy compensates Rogers for the loss of expected income over term - something many would think is an inappropriate use of a termination fee in a consumer context.</p>
<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m so jaded now that I simply can&#8217;t read this at it was intended to be read.  But this makes no sense to me.  My best guess is a first (and sloppy) draft, inadvertently made available to the public.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2008/07/01/more-rogers-iphone-pricing-news-sneaky-details-in-the-fine-print/#comment-85307</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.robhyndman.com/?p=2768#comment-85307</guid>
		<description>The clause actually reads (in full)

The ECF is the greater of (ii) $1100 or (iii) $220 per month remaining in the service agreement, to a maximum of 400 (plus applicable taxes), 

- first of all, its the greater of $1100 and $220 per month.  If you terminate with 2 weeks to go in your term, ECF is $1100.  If 35 month to go, ECF is $7700

- but the maximum is 400.  Is that months or dollars?  If its dollars, then the minimum of $1100 is meaningless.  If its months, 33 years is... a long time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The clause actually reads (in full)</p>
<p>The ECF is the greater of (ii) $1100 or (iii) $220 per month remaining in the service agreement, to a maximum of 400 (plus applicable taxes), </p>
<p>- first of all, its the greater of $1100 and $220 per month.  If you terminate with 2 weeks to go in your term, ECF is $1100.  If 35 month to go, ECF is $7700</p>
<p>- but the maximum is 400.  Is that months or dollars?  If its dollars, then the minimum of $1100 is meaningless.  If its months, 33 years is&#8230; a long time.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2008/07/01/more-rogers-iphone-pricing-news-sneaky-details-in-the-fine-print/#comment-85305</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 14:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.robhyndman.com/?p=2768#comment-85305</guid>
		<description>You think they would be avoiding those ambiguously placed commas by now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You think they would be avoiding those ambiguously placed commas by now&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
