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	<title>Comments on: Newspapers Shouldn&#8217;t Own Local Search</title>
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		<title>By: robhyndman.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Local Search and Newspapers</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2007/01/15/newspapers-shouldnt-own-local-search/#comment-45294</link>
		<dc:creator>robhyndman.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More on Local Search and Newspapers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 11:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In a post earlier this week I had some thoughts about the viability of monetizing local information as a strategy for local newspapers. One of my points was that much of this information is flat - essentially, lacking the context and utility that social media and other technologies provide - and that I therefore doubted that newspapers could do much in the way of competing with those other approaches. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In a post earlier this week I had some thoughts about the viability of monetizing local information as a strategy for local newspapers. One of my points was that much of this information is flat - essentially, lacking the context and utility that social media and other technologies provide - and that I therefore doubted that newspapers could do much in the way of competing with those other approaches. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hyndman</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2007/01/15/newspapers-shouldnt-own-local-search/#comment-45184</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hyndman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don't agree with you Damon.  They don't have the reviewers, and they don't have the site.  Why have thousands of chowhounds, when there needs to be only one for the entire country, and when one can provide the network benefits that many single sites can't?  And if it's about getting the data, I'd much prefer to read what patrons have to say than what a paper's reviewer has to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t agree with you Damon.  They don&#8217;t have the reviewers, and they don&#8217;t have the site.  Why have thousands of chowhounds, when there needs to be only one for the entire country, and when one can provide the network benefits that many single sites can&#8217;t?  And if it&#8217;s about getting the data, I&#8217;d much prefer to read what patrons have to say than what a paper&#8217;s reviewer has to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Damon</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2007/01/15/newspapers-shouldnt-own-local-search/#comment-45182</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 12:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;I suspect that there are not too many worthwhile restaurants in Toronto that arenâ€™t in Chowhound 

Yes - this is my point. As in the U.S. there are probably 200(?)newspapers that are in markets large enough to attract the business of aggregator/specialty sites. The other 1200 daily newspapers in small towns and cities are still the best position to leverage local vertical information such as restaurant reviews and listings. They should still be involving reader reviews/ratings/comments - but this effort is something smaller local newspapers can still build a niche business around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;I suspect that there are not too many worthwhile restaurants in Toronto that arenâ€™t in Chowhound </p>
<p>Yes - this is my point. As in the U.S. there are probably 200(?)newspapers that are in markets large enough to attract the business of aggregator/specialty sites. The other 1200 daily newspapers in small towns and cities are still the best position to leverage local vertical information such as restaurant reviews and listings. They should still be involving reader reviews/ratings/comments - but this effort is something smaller local newspapers can still build a niche business around.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hyndman</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2007/01/15/newspapers-shouldnt-own-local-search/#comment-45134</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hyndman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 03:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that there are not too many worthwhile restaurants in Toronto that aren't in Chowhound - that's my source for reliable info in that department.  I would put the paper at the bottom of the list, and its readers at the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that there are not too many worthwhile restaurants in Toronto that aren&#8217;t in Chowhound - that&#8217;s my source for reliable info in that department.  I would put the paper at the bottom of the list, and its readers at the top.</p>
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		<title>By: The Praized Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Newspapers Don&#8217;t Own the Local Search Space</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2007/01/15/newspapers-shouldnt-own-local-search/#comment-45039</link>
		<dc:creator>The Praized Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Newspapers Don&#8217;t Own the Local Search Space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rob Hyndman says: &#8220;Newspapers shouldn&#8217;t own local search. The problem for newspapers, obviously, is that what used to be an information issue (â€what&#8217;s going on / where is this thing for sale / what&#8217;s a good Italian restaurant / where is the nearest hardware store?â€) is becoming a technology issue, and they&#8217;re not technologists.. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rob Hyndman says: &#8220;Newspapers shouldn&rsquo;t own local search. The problem for newspapers, obviously, is that what used to be an information issue (â€what&rsquo;s going on / where is this thing for sale / what&rsquo;s a good Italian restaurant / where is the nearest hardware store?â€) is becoming a technology issue, and they&rsquo;re not technologists.. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Damon Kiesow</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2007/01/15/newspapers-shouldnt-own-local-search/#comment-45034</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon Kiesow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 00:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#62;&#62;Itâ€™s not hard to get the data - itâ€™s hard to figure out how to use it.

Maybe a bit off your main point - but in fact YES isn't it hard to get the data? 

There are 300 restaurants in our city, and a huge percentage have not yet been reviewed by the paper, and even fewer have been made more than a line of text in any national search engines. Sure newspapers can buy or use that same directory information, but the real value at the local level is detailed information, professional reviews, reader comments and etc.

Is there anyone that can do this work and make it profitable in terms of ad revenue or readership in small towns and cities other than the local paper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Itâ€™s not hard to get the data - itâ€™s hard to figure out how to use it.</p>
<p>Maybe a bit off your main point - but in fact YES isn&#8217;t it hard to get the data? </p>
<p>There are 300 restaurants in our city, and a huge percentage have not yet been reviewed by the paper, and even fewer have been made more than a line of text in any national search engines. Sure newspapers can buy or use that same directory information, but the real value at the local level is detailed information, professional reviews, reader comments and etc.</p>
<p>Is there anyone that can do this work and make it profitable in terms of ad revenue or readership in small towns and cities other than the local paper?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Stabe &#187; links for 2007-01-16</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2007/01/15/newspapers-shouldnt-own-local-search/#comment-44558</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Stabe &#187; links for 2007-01-16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rob Hyndman: Newspapers Shouldnâ€™t Own Local Search &#8220;The problem for newspapers, obviously, is that what used to be an information issue (â€whatâ€™s going on / where is this thing for sale / whatâ€™s a good Italian restaurant / where is the nearest hardware store?â€) is becoming a technology issue, and t (tags: local newspapers search seo) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rob Hyndman: Newspapers Shouldnâ€™t Own Local Search &#8220;The problem for newspapers, obviously, is that what used to be an information issue (â€whatâ€™s going on / where is this thing for sale / whatâ€™s a good Italian restaurant / where is the nearest hardware store?â€) is becoming a technology issue, and t (tags: local newspapers search seo) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hyndman</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2007/01/15/newspapers-shouldnt-own-local-search/#comment-44413</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hyndman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 02:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's a very good point, Mark.  In this context, search isn't really "search", or at least it's very focussed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a very good point, Mark.  In this context, search isn&#8217;t really &#8220;search&#8221;, or at least it&#8217;s very focussed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2007/01/15/newspapers-shouldnt-own-local-search/#comment-44408</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 01:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As GM of a newspaper with P &#38; L responsibility for our online newspaper, I made the conscious choice not to worry about our Google ranking.

We are a small (some might say tiny) newspaper that derives 95% of our revenues from local advertisers.  So if someone is looking for something from our community, they at least know enough to search "bowling green newspaper."

So we put our archives behind a firewall after 24 hours that makes linking to them difficult (not impossible) and after 14 days behind a subscription firewall that makes them impossible to link to.

We're here to serve local folks.  If you can't find Bowling Green, KY, on a map, our advertisers aren't interested in your traffic to our website. I think the same applies for any newspaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As GM of a newspaper with P &amp; L responsibility for our online newspaper, I made the conscious choice not to worry about our Google ranking.</p>
<p>We are a small (some might say tiny) newspaper that derives 95% of our revenues from local advertisers.  So if someone is looking for something from our community, they at least know enough to search &#8220;bowling green newspaper.&#8221;</p>
<p>So we put our archives behind a firewall after 24 hours that makes linking to them difficult (not impossible) and after 14 days behind a subscription firewall that makes them impossible to link to.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re here to serve local folks.  If you can&#8217;t find Bowling Green, KY, on a map, our advertisers aren&#8217;t interested in your traffic to our website. I think the same applies for any newspaper.</p>
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		<title>By: Newspapers and local - who owns who? &#187; Mathew Ingram: mathewingram.com/work</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2007/01/15/newspapers-shouldnt-own-local-search/#comment-44404</link>
		<dc:creator>Newspapers and local - who owns who? &#187; Mathew Ingram: mathewingram.com/work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 00:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] All of this drew some skeptical fire from my friend Rob Hyndman, who said in his post that newspapers shouldn&#8217;t own local search. His reasoning (expressed both in his post and in an email discussion with me): newspapers may have local content, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they can necessarily compete with other, better sources of content that are faster and more flexible than newspapers are &#8212; even assuming that papers can solve their archive and searchability issues. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] All of this drew some skeptical fire from my friend Rob Hyndman, who said in his post that newspapers shouldn&#8217;t own local search. His reasoning (expressed both in his post and in an email discussion with me): newspapers may have local content, but that doesn&#8217;t mean they can necessarily compete with other, better sources of content that are faster and more flexible than newspapers are &#8212; even assuming that papers can solve their archive and searchability issues. [...]</p>
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