Comments on: The Unbearable Childishness of the Web http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/ any technology distinguishable from magic is not sufficiently advanced Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:58:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: robhyndman.com » Blog Archive » Kathy Sierra, O’Reilly’s Code of Conduct and the Political Blogosphere http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-73685 robhyndman.com » Blog Archive » Kathy Sierra, O’Reilly’s Code of Conduct and the Political Blogosphere Sat, 14 Apr 2007 12:47:27 +0000 http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-73685 [...] really appreciate when I tuned out of the poli-’sphere over two years ago, a topic I wrote about a bit more back in December. The tone can be shrill, but it’s often (far from always, but [...] [...] really appreciate when I tuned out of the poli-’sphere over two years ago, a topic I wrote about a bit more back in December. The tone can be shrill, but it’s often (far from always, but [...]

]]> By: robhyndman.com » Blog Archive » “It’s not just Imus” http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-73605 robhyndman.com » Blog Archive » “It’s not just Imus” Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:56:34 +0000 http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-73605 [...] Matters quite rightly points out that racism is big business in mainstream media today. As I noted a while ago, what radio figured out long ago, TV has now started to exploit: “one can only [...] [...] Matters quite rightly points out that racism is big business in mainstream media today. As I noted a while ago, what radio figured out long ago, TV has now started to exploit: “one can only [...]

]]> By: robhyndman.com » Blog Archive » That Would Also be 1950 http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-40450 robhyndman.com » Blog Archive » That Would Also be 1950 Fri, 29 Dec 2006 19:45:36 +0000 http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-40450 [...] Yet another reason why I love David Pogue’s writing: for its laugh-out-loud healing powers.              Related Posts [...] [...] Yet another reason why I love David Pogue’s writing: for its laugh-out-loud healing powers.              Related Posts [...]

]]> By: Norman Young http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-37228 Norman Young Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:06:40 +0000 http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-37228 Although I believe Seth Godin is on to something with a parallel Internet, with only a superficial glance at his material, I suggest that it's not full identity disclosure that underpins civility, but selective identity disclosure, where the person is ultimately in control of their own identity and how others use it. Social media will go the same way as email. Email went the same way as the telephone. The telephone went the same way as post. Wherever physical and logical identity cannot be separated (as in all of these systems), then there can be no privacy. If nothing is private, then I am not separate. If I am not separate, then I have no identity. If I have no identity, then I cannot be held accountable. If I cannot be held accountable, then I have no compulsion to be civil. Trust is a selective exchange. Although I believe Seth Godin is on to something with a parallel Internet, with only a superficial glance at his material, I suggest that it’s not full identity disclosure that underpins civility, but selective identity disclosure, where the person is ultimately in control of their own identity and how others use it.

Social media will go the same way as email. Email went the same way as the telephone. The telephone went the same way as post. Wherever physical and logical identity cannot be separated (as in all of these systems), then there can be no privacy.

If nothing is private, then I am not separate. If I am not separate, then I have no identity. If I have no identity, then I cannot be held accountable. If I cannot be held accountable, then I have no compulsion to be civil.

Trust is a selective exchange.

]]> By: Civility. at DJR http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-36154 Civility. at DJR Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:03:05 +0000 http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-36154 [...] This morning Rob Hyndman posted a cutting critique on Internet culture, and I felt compelled to comment.  So this post is motivated by Rob, and his post was motivated by David.  [...] [...] This morning Rob Hyndman posted a cutting critique on Internet culture, and I felt compelled to comment.  So this post is motivated by Rob, and his post was motivated by David.  [...]

]]> By: Rob Hyndman http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-36138 Rob Hyndman Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:57:29 +0000 http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-36138 Tom - that's hysterical. But now I have to put everything back on the desk I knocked over when I fell to the floor giggling .... Tom - that’s hysterical. But now I have to put everything back on the desk I knocked over when I fell to the floor giggling ….

]]> By: Rob Hyndman http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-36137 Rob Hyndman Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:55:36 +0000 http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-36137 Well, Dave, PEI is a perfect example, isn't it? There is something about being required to take responsibility for the choices you make. Well, Dave, PEI is a perfect example, isn’t it? There is something about being required to take responsibility for the choices you make.

]]> By: Dave http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-36123 Dave Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:23:24 +0000 http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-36123 Great post. I've experienced this in the real world, too. As you know, we moved back to Charlottetown a few years ago. One of my main observations of life there was the lack of anonymity and its positive effects. Sure, there are the usual complaints of small-town life: "but everybody knows your business!" But unlike my experiences living in big cities like Toronto and San Francisco, in Charlottetown you go through your day under the assumption that you are known by many of the people around you; you are not anonymous. I really notice the impact of this when I am driving. I *never* honk my horn out of anger and certainly haven't flipped the bird to a driver that's pissed me off. Why? There's a good chance I may know them: my doctor, a friend of my parents, whatever. I'm not certain, but I think it's Seth Godin that imagined a parallel internet where full identity disclosure was a requirement. Sign me up. Anonymity is not all it's cracked up to be. DAVE Great post. I’ve experienced this in the real world, too. As you know, we moved back to Charlottetown a few years ago. One of my main observations of life there was the lack of anonymity and its positive effects. Sure, there are the usual complaints of small-town life: “but everybody knows your business!” But unlike my experiences living in big cities like Toronto and San Francisco, in Charlottetown you go through your day under the assumption that you are known by many of the people around you; you are not anonymous. I really notice the impact of this when I am driving. I *never* honk my horn out of anger and certainly haven’t flipped the bird to a driver that’s pissed me off. Why? There’s a good chance I may know them: my doctor, a friend of my parents, whatever.

I’m not certain, but I think it’s Seth Godin that imagined a parallel internet where full identity disclosure was a requirement. Sign me up.
Anonymity is not all it’s cracked up to be.

DAVE

]]> By: thomas.purves http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-36070 thomas.purves Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:16:54 +0000 http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/12/15/the-unbearable-childishness-of-the-web/#comment-36070 It's not just web2.0. the cartoonists at penny arcade have (in their own thoughtful way) expounded a few yrs ago of the affect of this same phenomenon in <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19">their (gaming) community</a>. It’s not just web2.0. the cartoonists at penny arcade have (in their own thoughtful way) expounded a few yrs ago of the affect of this same phenomenon in their (gaming) community.

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