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	<title>Comments on: Techmeme&#8217;s Sponsored Posts Make it to the &#8216;Front Page&#8217;</title>
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	<description>any technology distinguishable from magic is not sufficiently advanced</description>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/11/20/techmemes-sponsored-posts-make-it-to-the-front-page/#comment-27751</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I disagree.  The idea that something is fishy at Techmeme, a clear suggestion of your post, could easily spread far and wide (blogs love silly blog-related scandals) and cause real damage, so I believe it's only fair to approach this more seriously.

So yeah, if you're going to go as far as reasoning about how links might have affected my algorithm, which you did do, of course you should actually check on that.  It takes all of 5 seconds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I disagree.  The idea that something is fishy at Techmeme, a clear suggestion of your post, could easily spread far and wide (blogs love silly blog-related scandals) and cause real damage, so I believe it&#8217;s only fair to approach this more seriously.</p>
<p>So yeah, if you&#8217;re going to go as far as reasoning about how links might have affected my algorithm, which you did do, of course you should actually check on that.  It takes all of 5 seconds.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hyndman</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/11/20/techmemes-sponsored-posts-make-it-to-the-front-page/#comment-27742</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hyndman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you're overreacting, Gabe.  There was nothing "dark" or suggestive of 'rigging', whatever those words mean in this context, about what I wrote.  It was effectively an open question that plainly stated that I wasn't sure.

I didn't check because I didn't check.  If I'd been inclined to be saying something like "Fred Jones stole money from his company", I would have checked to make sure it was true first.  But that's not what I was saying - and I thought I was pretty obvious about that - I was starting a conversation.  Because I was having a conversation, or thinking I might - not completing an affidavit, or filing a story with the WaPo.  I think there's a difference, Gabe.  Regardless of what search tools are out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re overreacting, Gabe.  There was nothing &#8220;dark&#8221; or suggestive of &#8216;rigging&#8217;, whatever those words mean in this context, about what I wrote.  It was effectively an open question that plainly stated that I wasn&#8217;t sure.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t check because I didn&#8217;t check.  If I&#8217;d been inclined to be saying something like &#8220;Fred Jones stole money from his company&#8221;, I would have checked to make sure it was true first.  But that&#8217;s not what I was saying - and I thought I was pretty obvious about that - I was starting a conversation.  Because I was having a conversation, or thinking I might - not completing an affidavit, or filing a story with the WaPo.  I think there&#8217;s a difference, Gabe.  Regardless of what search tools are out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/11/20/techmemes-sponsored-posts-make-it-to-the-front-page/#comment-27725</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 19:38:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob, in the era of Technorati and Google Blog search, etc., it's not enough to say "I donâ€™t remember anyone linking to it".  You can check.  Why didn't you?

Had you checked, you would have found it was linked to, even before your and Tony's post.  Though you might have lost a post with dark suggestions about rigged placement.

Sponsored status did not contribute to that post appearing.  The fleeting top placement was largely a function of the other posts getting really stale and old.

There are no "new rules" as far a sponsored posts becoming regular posts.

Ironically, I'm also experimenting with marked placement in the left as "Recent Sponsor Posts", and once Tabblo's post drops off the edge it might then appear as a "Recent Sponsor Post".  Kinda confusing, but then sponsor posts don't usually become regular posts (third time in three months).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob, in the era of Technorati and Google Blog search, etc., it&#8217;s not enough to say &#8220;I donâ€™t remember anyone linking to it&#8221;.  You can check.  Why didn&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Had you checked, you would have found it was linked to, even before your and Tony&#8217;s post.  Though you might have lost a post with dark suggestions about rigged placement.</p>
<p>Sponsored status did not contribute to that post appearing.  The fleeting top placement was largely a function of the other posts getting really stale and old.</p>
<p>There are no &#8220;new rules&#8221; as far a sponsored posts becoming regular posts.</p>
<p>Ironically, I&#8217;m also experimenting with marked placement in the left as &#8220;Recent Sponsor Posts&#8221;, and once Tabblo&#8217;s post drops off the edge it might then appear as a &#8220;Recent Sponsor Post&#8221;.  Kinda confusing, but then sponsor posts don&#8217;t usually become regular posts (third time in three months).</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hyndman</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/11/20/techmemes-sponsored-posts-make-it-to-the-front-page/#comment-27708</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hyndman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've noticed that too - good point.  And they flip with odd regularity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that too - good point.  And they flip with odd regularity.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/11/20/techmemes-sponsored-posts-make-it-to-the-front-page/#comment-27679</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 16:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've noticed that not all Top Items / headline posts are necessarily linked to by its "discussion" items; sometimes the aggregator will shove in related "discussion" items underneath, and this phenomenon predated the Tabloo entry.

Now, whether or not the algorithm gives precedence (different weight) to sponsors into making it INTO organic Top Item search is another question. ;)

Cheers
t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed that not all Top Items / headline posts are necessarily linked to by its &#8220;discussion&#8221; items; sometimes the aggregator will shove in related &#8220;discussion&#8221; items underneath, and this phenomenon predated the Tabloo entry.</p>
<p>Now, whether or not the algorithm gives precedence (different weight) to sponsors into making it INTO organic Top Item search is another question. ;)</p>
<p>Cheers<br />
t</p>
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