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	<title>Comments on: Crowdsourcing News: What Happens When the News Really Matters?</title>
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		<title>By: Rob Hyndman</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/11/05/crowdsourcing-news-what-happens-when-the-news-really-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-23047</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hyndman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that&#039;s fair comment.  But I think part of my point was that if they were trying harder it would be easier.  Boots on the ground, etc.  John Burns gets it, no doubt.  But we&#039;re trying less.  We have fewer dollars to train people to do it.  Maybe the understanding will come in time - maybe one of the things we&#039;ll see with this here Intarweb, at least among the reporting / opinion-forming classes, is an integration of perspectives, or at least, with the easier access to foreign voices, a deeper understanding of other perspectives.  But I suspect it will at least take time.  I&#039;m not sure.

One other point I didn&#039;t mention is that of course the large organizations serve a branding and signalling function as well.  Generally, I know I can trust the competence of whomever WaPo or the NYT puts on the piece.  Well, except for that Judith Miller thing again, and then there&#039;s that nasty little episode with Jayson Blair.  But still and all, there is something - a lot for me - to that.  In a 5 million channel universe, trust becomes that much more important.  So I go looking for content that carries the brand.  It&#039;s not all I read.  But for reading that really matters, it&#039;s what I look for first, and I&#039;m inclined to trust it more.

With the major brands progressively disintermediated from the media function I have to deal with the multiplication of brands.  Everyone is their own brand - a brand of one, more or less.  But I don&#039;t think I can manage 5,000 brands at the same time.  Is an algorithm going to replace the job the brand does for me?  Maybe eventually.  Techmeme is off to a good start, I suppose.  But there&#039;s a long way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s fair comment.  But I think part of my point was that if they were trying harder it would be easier.  Boots on the ground, etc.  John Burns gets it, no doubt.  But we&#8217;re trying less.  We have fewer dollars to train people to do it.  Maybe the understanding will come in time &#8211; maybe one of the things we&#8217;ll see with this here Intarweb, at least among the reporting / opinion-forming classes, is an integration of perspectives, or at least, with the easier access to foreign voices, a deeper understanding of other perspectives.  But I suspect it will at least take time.  I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>One other point I didn&#8217;t mention is that of course the large organizations serve a branding and signalling function as well.  Generally, I know I can trust the competence of whomever WaPo or the NYT puts on the piece.  Well, except for that Judith Miller thing again, and then there&#8217;s that nasty little episode with Jayson Blair.  But still and all, there is something &#8211; a lot for me &#8211; to that.  In a 5 million channel universe, trust becomes that much more important.  So I go looking for content that carries the brand.  It&#8217;s not all I read.  But for reading that really matters, it&#8217;s what I look for first, and I&#8217;m inclined to trust it more.</p>
<p>With the major brands progressively disintermediated from the media function I have to deal with the multiplication of brands.  Everyone is their own brand &#8211; a brand of one, more or less.  But I don&#8217;t think I can manage 5,000 brands at the same time.  Is an algorithm going to replace the job the brand does for me?  Maybe eventually.  Techmeme is off to a good start, I suppose.  But there&#8217;s a long way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/11/05/crowdsourcing-news-what-happens-when-the-news-really-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-23046</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree. I think it would be ideal to have both. There&#039;s no question that someone from the NYT or whatever has the writing chops and skills and access that a blogger wouldn&#039;t have, but I also think it&#039;s hard (if not impossible) for a foreign journalist -- however well-educated, well-trained and experienced -- to duplicate the kind of voice and perspective that an Iraqi or an Afghani citizen would have on a war they were involved in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree. I think it would be ideal to have both. There&#8217;s no question that someone from the NYT or whatever has the writing chops and skills and access that a blogger wouldn&#8217;t have, but I also think it&#8217;s hard (if not impossible) for a foreign journalist &#8212; however well-educated, well-trained and experienced &#8212; to duplicate the kind of voice and perspective that an Iraqi or an Afghani citizen would have on a war they were involved in.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hyndman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Hyndman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I did mention one Iraqi blogger as an example.  But in the main I don&#039;t see how the amateur can come close to the professional in terms of ability to relate to context (there is a larger world to link into - one that makes sense to the reader&#039;s frame of reference) or quality of writing, or even raw ability to get the story, for that matter.  Especially when it comes to investigative work, or work that requires a really smart person with really deep experience to unravel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I did mention one Iraqi blogger as an example.  But in the main I don&#8217;t see how the amateur can come close to the professional in terms of ability to relate to context (there is a larger world to link into &#8211; one that makes sense to the reader&#8217;s frame of reference) or quality of writing, or even raw ability to get the story, for that matter.  Especially when it comes to investigative work, or work that requires a really smart person with really deep experience to unravel.</p>
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		<title>By: Mathew Ingram</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/11/05/crowdsourcing-news-what-happens-when-the-news-really-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-23034</link>
		<dc:creator>Mathew Ingram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that Seymour and John and Sydney aren&#039;t great, Rob, because they are -- and obviously having a large organization behind you really helps when it comes to the satellite phones and armed escorts and whatnot -- but wouldn&#039;t we benefit from having &quot;citizen journalists&quot; or whatever you want to call them on the ground as well, like Salam Pax was in Iraq?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that Seymour and John and Sydney aren&#8217;t great, Rob, because they are &#8212; and obviously having a large organization behind you really helps when it comes to the satellite phones and armed escorts and whatnot &#8212; but wouldn&#8217;t we benefit from having &#8220;citizen journalists&#8221; or whatever you want to call them on the ground as well, like Salam Pax was in Iraq?</p>
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