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	<title>Comments on: Videotron on the ABCs of Pricing Bandwidth</title>
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		<title>By: Rob Hyndman</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/11/02/videotron-on-the-abcs-of-pricing-bandwidth/#comment-22379</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hyndman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The issue is not what telecomm lobbyists would rather.  The issue is what the customer would rather.  And until the market is competitive, there is no "rather".

And yes, of course one can seriously believe.  The evidence is everywhere.  Except here in North America, of course. 

With all due respect, don't you have better things to do with your client's time than troll for opportunities to pump their message?  Please, don't go back to anyone's message.  Just leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issue is not what telecomm lobbyists would rather.  The issue is what the customer would rather.  And until the market is competitive, there is no &#8220;rather&#8221;.</p>
<p>And yes, of course one can seriously believe.  The evidence is everywhere.  Except here in North America, of course. </p>
<p>With all due respect, don&#8217;t you have better things to do with your client&#8217;s time than troll for opportunities to pump their message?  Please, don&#8217;t go back to anyone&#8217;s message.  Just leave.</p>
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		<title>By: HandsOff43</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/11/02/videotron-on-the-abcs-of-pricing-bandwidth/#comment-22378</link>
		<dc:creator>HandsOff43</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If all content must be considered equal, regardless of how much bandwidth is used, all consumers will have to foot the bill so our internetâ€™s infrastructure can keep up with innovation. I would rather ISPs charge the heaviest content providers than charge me to pay for something I'm not even using. 

With regard to competition, I go back to Kahn's argument, "By far the most promising intensification of that competition is the tens of billions of dollars that the phone companies themselves are spending converting copper to fiber, which will enable them to offer video programming pervasively, in direct competition with the cable companies. Can anyone seriously believe that competition would be forthcoming if those incumbents were still subject to public utility-type regulation? Or prevented from surcharging the heaviest content suppliers--the ones demanding the speediest possible access to subscribers that those telco investments will make possible?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If all content must be considered equal, regardless of how much bandwidth is used, all consumers will have to foot the bill so our internetâ€™s infrastructure can keep up with innovation. I would rather ISPs charge the heaviest content providers than charge me to pay for something I&#8217;m not even using. </p>
<p>With regard to competition, I go back to Kahn&#8217;s argument, &#8220;By far the most promising intensification of that competition is the tens of billions of dollars that the phone companies themselves are spending converting copper to fiber, which will enable them to offer video programming pervasively, in direct competition with the cable companies. Can anyone seriously believe that competition would be forthcoming if those incumbents were still subject to public utility-type regulation? Or prevented from surcharging the heaviest content suppliers&#8211;the ones demanding the speediest possible access to subscribers that those telco investments will make possible?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Hyndman</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/11/02/videotron-on-the-abcs-of-pricing-bandwidth/#comment-22371</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Hyndman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 17:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because it's not a competitive market.  This notion of a free market for broadband in Canada is a myth.  There are rarely more than 2 providers in any geographical market, and those two do not compete on price, or anything else, with the possible exception of customer service.  As a result, if my ISP wants to "monetize me", I have little choice but to go along.  A newspaper reader has virtually infinite choice, and that choice enforces a discipline upon the newspaper.  With respect, if you follow this issue, you know that; the debate on this issue moved on a long time ago.

We are not "theirs" - not a captive herd to be sheared by the ISP every month for profit - or at least we should not be.  And more to the point, broadband providers are providing what is increasingly a vital public utility.  Their problem is that they recognize that it won't be palatable to ding the end user with higher access fees - doing so would likely encourage a public debate that might well result in tighter regulation, including of pricing.  They know that, and they're looking for easier quarry.

By the way, one of the truly democratizing effects of the internet, I think, is the power of public memory.  It allows me, for example, to search and quickly identify your organization as a lobby group for telecomms.  Which helps explain your "opinion". </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because it&#8217;s not a competitive market.  This notion of a free market for broadband in Canada is a myth.  There are rarely more than 2 providers in any geographical market, and those two do not compete on price, or anything else, with the possible exception of customer service.  As a result, if my ISP wants to &#8220;monetize me&#8221;, I have little choice but to go along.  A newspaper reader has virtually infinite choice, and that choice enforces a discipline upon the newspaper.  With respect, if you follow this issue, you know that; the debate on this issue moved on a long time ago.</p>
<p>We are not &#8220;theirs&#8221; - not a captive herd to be sheared by the ISP every month for profit - or at least we should not be.  And more to the point, broadband providers are providing what is increasingly a vital public utility.  Their problem is that they recognize that it won&#8217;t be palatable to ding the end user with higher access fees - doing so would likely encourage a public debate that might well result in tighter regulation, including of pricing.  They know that, and they&#8217;re looking for easier quarry.</p>
<p>By the way, one of the truly democratizing effects of the internet, I think, is the power of public memory.  It allows me, for example, to search and quickly identify your organization as a lobby group for telecomms.  Which helps explain your &#8220;opinion&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: HandsOff43</title>
		<link>http://www.robhyndman.com/2006/11/02/videotron-on-the-abcs-of-pricing-bandwidth/#comment-22369</link>
		<dc:creator>HandsOff43</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Videotron's perspective it only makes sense. You may have already read Dr. Alfred's Kahn's editorial where he said, "Newspapers charge advertisers for access to their readers--more for big ads than small ones--television broadcasters charge similarly for access to their audiences; and the charges vary widely depending upon the anticipated size of the audience. Why is that any different from the proposed additional fees for guarantees of the unusually rapid rates of transmission required for some content, with its greater claim on the broadband facilities?"

Kahn understands that "net neutrality" is a non-issue and that certain corporations have created a false "hysteria" when in fact the free market offers the best consumer protections and will help ensure a quality internet for everyone.  

I work with Hands Off the Internet Coalition and here's the link to Dr. Kahn's expert opinion.
http://pff.org/issues-pubs/ps/2006/ps2.24voiceofcautiononnetneutrality.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Videotron&#8217;s perspective it only makes sense. You may have already read Dr. Alfred&#8217;s Kahn&#8217;s editorial where he said, &#8220;Newspapers charge advertisers for access to their readers&#8211;more for big ads than small ones&#8211;television broadcasters charge similarly for access to their audiences; and the charges vary widely depending upon the anticipated size of the audience. Why is that any different from the proposed additional fees for guarantees of the unusually rapid rates of transmission required for some content, with its greater claim on the broadband facilities?&#8221;</p>
<p>Kahn understands that &#8220;net neutrality&#8221; is a non-issue and that certain corporations have created a false &#8220;hysteria&#8221; when in fact the free market offers the best consumer protections and will help ensure a quality internet for everyone.  </p>
<p>I work with Hands Off the Internet Coalition and here&#8217;s the link to Dr. Kahn&#8217;s expert opinion.<br />
<a href="http://pff.org/issues-pubs/ps/2006/ps2.24voiceofcautiononnetneutrality.html" onClick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/pff.org');">http://pff.org/issues-pubs/ps/2006/ps2.24voiceofcautiononnetneutrality.html</a></p>
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